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Dean hmm
Cut for episode one spoiler.

I was not a believer in the Dean as Cas's vessel theory, but... while in purgatory Benny told Dean he knew how to open a door to let a human out, but the door was only for humans.  Dean carried Benny's soul within himself and returned it to Benny's bones.

What if that was the only way Cas could leave?  Because both Cas and Dean had been sent there intact -- souls and bodies, Dean had to 'kill' Cas to free his soul. Then, he carried Castiel's soul out with him, too. However, since there were no bones, he either hasn't released it (which can explain his eating habits) or he did free the soul but it had nothing to return to so it 'disappeared' making Dean think Castiel was truly dead this time.  

Either way, I don't think Dean would leave purgatory without Castiel. Dean's a no man left behind kind of soldier. 



So what do you think?

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etoile444
Oct. 4th, 2012 10:24 pm (UTC)
It was obvious that at least early on Dean was looking for "the angel". I also agree, no man left behind is DEan's creed. However, one glitch, I don't think angels have souls. So what Cas' grace might be up to...I've got nothing!
hezio2
Oct. 4th, 2012 10:37 pm (UTC)
I didn't think they had souls either, but yeah,I should have called it his grace. I think Cas tried to stay away from Dean because he thought more evil things would go after them if they were together. I'm sure Dean's all angsty and feeling guilty about whatever did happen to Cas
sidura
Oct. 4th, 2012 10:26 pm (UTC)
There is the possibility that Cas left Dean with no choice but to leave him behind, by either forcing him to go on without him or scarficing himself in some way to let the escape happen.

Guess we will see as things go on and it slowly eats Dean up inside.
hezio2
Oct. 4th, 2012 10:39 pm (UTC)
Sacrificing yourself for the good of the other? Well that is the Winchester way. Cas would have done that to save Dean, he did it before, in seasons 4 and 5. Dean has got to be torturing himself over leaving Cas behind.
sidura
Oct. 4th, 2012 11:28 pm (UTC)
Yes Cas has sacrficed himself for Dean in the past and I can see him doing it again, not just to save his friend but to make up for the things that he's done.

No matter how Cas got left behind, Dean is going to be beating himself up about it.
tabaqui
Oct. 4th, 2012 11:34 pm (UTC)
Hrmmmmmmmm. Interesting. I dunno, though. From what Dean said, I'm wondering if Castiel either lost his grace or lost his fight with madness while in Purgatory, and Dean couldn't get through to him anymore.

I don't *want* Castiel to be dead, at all, but unless he told Sam a total lie...*something* happened.

I am so damn *giddy* about this ep, about more Show in the offing - totally unspoiled, me - and loved everything about last night's episode. SO GOOD.
hezio2
Oct. 4th, 2012 11:48 pm (UTC)
Dean said he 'saw enough'. He never said he saw Castiel dead. Chuck saw Cas explode and in season 5 it happened again. I think Dean had to do something he didn't want to in order to save himself (like hurt Cas) or Cas insisted on doing something that would force Dean to leave him behind.

The first episode laid groundwork for an amazing season.
tabaqui
Oct. 5th, 2012 12:04 am (UTC)
He also said 'Something happened to him down there. Things got pretty hairy toward the end he...he just let go'.

So - more mystery!!! Dean is definitely having some 'issues', be it guilt or angst, over Castiel.

The first episode laid groundwork for an amazing season.

It so did! Wheee!
lolaann1
Oct. 5th, 2012 12:49 am (UTC)
I think that Cas was somehow key to the spell that got Dean through. And I also agree that Dean wouldn't easily leave him behind unless the writers are deciding to totally change his character. There has to be some sort of extenuating circumstances. Dean told Sam that Purgatory did something to Cas... maybe he was murderous or dangerous or something and Dean couldn't reach him. Hell, I dunno. After the day, I've had at work, it's probably best I don't speculate on anything :P
metallidean_grl
Oct. 5th, 2012 04:15 am (UTC)
I have been thinking the same thing, Dean being human can pass through the portal, but Cas is not human, so he would not be able to. But then his vessel is human, and is Jimmy still inside there somewhere, if so, wouldn't his presence qualify him enough to be able to pass through the portal?

I don't think Dean carried Cas with him like he did Benny. I think if he did carry Cas through like he did Benny we might have seen something or at least had a hint that he was carrying Cas around with him. Not sure.

I have no idea where Cas might be, but a part of me thinks he might still be in Purgatory. And then I am thinking.....you know at the end of the episode Dean tells Benny that he doesn't regret anything they did down there. What if some of the stuff he says he doesn't regret has to do with Castiel. What if they did something to Cas to help them pass through, or Cas willingly agreed to let Dean do something so he at least could go free. The way he said it makes me think that maybe Dean doesn't regret it, but once what Dean and Benny did in Purgatory gets out to maybe Sam or Kevin, then they might not think or feel the same thing. But then again, I am in agreement with you that I don't think that Dean would leave Cas behind. He is one of those men with the motto "leave no man behind" so I do think he would do what he can to save Cas.
hezio2
Oct. 5th, 2012 04:43 am (UTC)
Cas died at least three times. Raphael blew him up, Lucifer blew him up, and the leviathans dissolved him(?) so I don't think much of Jimmy exists. There were 4 days we didn't see Dean and maybe he could have done something then that will be shown in later episodes, but truthfully, I think Cas is still down there.
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